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these are the places that mrs. clinton: yes. first of all, my plan will mean that it is not necessary. but for those young people who dropped out, we have to figure out how to get them back in. we have to reverse the facts that led them to drop out. [applause] mr. martin: question. >> good afternoon, secretary clinton, and thank you so much for coming to south carolina and orangeburg. i have a two-part question for you. as you know, we have lost a lot of textile jobs here in south carolina over the past years, and my questions are: do you think your husband was right in signing nafta into law? and the second part of my question is what will your , administration do to bring back industrial base jobs to south carolina? mrs. clinton: i know how controversial trade has been in south carolina, and south carolina is a classic case of winners and losers because of trade.
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the biggest losers have been a textile firms. because a lot of those jobs, not , just through nafta, but through differences in cost of production went to asia as well. so i don't feel we can blame the loss of the textile industry on nafta. i think it was broader than that. nafta may have opened the door more widely for jobs to go to mexico, but textile jobs were under global pressure, even without nafta. now, what does that mean? because the other side of the equation is that south carolina has attracted a great number of car companies, more advanced manufacturing companies. so it is kind of a news-bad news story. what i want to do is make it possible to recruit internally within united states and externally from abroad more jobs -- and i'm not sure we can get textile jobs back unless they are more sophisticated,
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requiring higher levels of expertise in the dying and the printing and whatever else is required -- but i do think we can get more advanced manufacturing jobs back if we provide more tax credit and more tax support. if we do what i said at the very beginning, have more apprenticeship programs so we are training our workforce right here at home. the community college system is one of our biggest advantages in any measurement of how we can be successful. and i have been to a good community college outside of charleston, which is doing these apprenticeship programs. in advanced manufacturing. but let me just say, we are not going to get those jobs back unless we have skilled workers to be able to do them. and that is where education comes in. because we have still too many people who don't have the skills that are required to do the advanced manufacturing. so i want a nationwide effort
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, but the focus on poorer states, like south carolina, to do more in a kind of, as you are saying, a new new deal or training program so we actually take seriously the idea we can get and keep these jobs. it is one of the reasons i came out against the transpacific partnership bill because we have to trade. we are 5% of the worlds population. we have to build things and sell things to the other 95%. people who are against trade no matter what i think are kind of missing the point. we need smart trade and fair trade and affective trade. and we need to mix it with taking care of our own people. so if you open the door to , trade, which i am all for, you have to make sure that you have people in your own country who are able to compete for those jobs. the republicans are not for job training, they are not for
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preschool education that will prepare kids, they are not for rescaling the workforce. they don't want to spend any money on that. and i'm holding out to say, ok, we can do trade, but we can only do trade that is going to benefit the american people across the board if we invest in our own people and we give them the skills and opportunities to be successful. mr. martin: question. >> [applause] >> hello, my name is elaine cooper. and i am from columbia, south carolina. i have a question. if you would address the voter id bill here and voter suppression, and how our lines are drawn. i think a lot would help the situation with one comment that was brought up at the forum last night, and that is automatic registration of all 18-year-olds. automatically when you turn 18, you would be a registered voter.
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could you please comment? and how you would go about doing that? mrs. clinton: actually, i propose that. i was the first person to propose that when i gave a speech about voting rights at southern texas university. and the reason i proposed it is because i believe strongly that young people should be registered when they turn 18. for legal reasons, they can opt out of that, but i don't think the vast majority would, and i want to see young people registered at 18. you raise a much bigger point. you know, when the supreme court -- and these are my words -- gutted the voting rights act, by rejecting the congress reauthorizing it, and i was in the senate to then, we voted to reauthorize the voting rights act. the supreme court was basically sending a message to political
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leaders that they could begin to try to find new ways to interfere with the right to vote. that may not have been their intention, but that has been the result. and so, all of these photo id, we did not have a problem of any magnitude whatsoever. our problem is not people illegally trying to vote. our problem is that legal folks are not doing what they should to vote to make sure their voices are heard. i have been taking on this issue, and i am going to keep taking it on, and i think the supreme court was absolutely wrong. there is legislation now being proposed in the congress to undo the damage. but in the meantime, we need to have political action, litigation, mobilization against these efforts to suppress the vote. you ask yourself -- why are they doing that? pretty simple. there are some people they don't want to vote. alabama passed a voter id bill.
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and if they said, ok, one of the voter ids you can use is a drivers license with your picture on it. i don't believe they are necessary, but ok, you can use a voter id that way. then just a few months ago, they passed a bill and the governor asked to shut down the motor vehicle offices in the county's -- counties that have the biggest black populations. i spent 18 wonderful years in arkansas and i learned a lot. and one of my favorite philosophy lessons is this: if you find a turtle on a fence post, it did not get there by accident. and so i went to alabama and i said, look, nobody can believe this. you don't close the offices in the counties with the biggest african-american vote and it is a coincidence. so people have got to stand up , against this.
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i think it is time that therapy an outrage, an outpouring from communities across these states that are doing this. it will be one of my highest priorities. i will do everything i can to help get people registered to make sure people understand they meet whatever the requirements are, and they then turn out to vote. because we need to have a big turnout in the 2016 election. mr. martin: we conducted a poll of black parents and we asked , them a question about charters. 74% of black parents said they were interested in enrolling their kids in charter schools. 79% favored school vouchers. we are in the state where brown versus board of education got its start. 61 years, black folks are still waiting for education to get right. do you support the expansion of charter schools and school vouchers? black parents say they are not satisfied with what is happening in traditional schools. mrs. clinton: i have, for many
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years now, about 30 years, supported the idea of charter schools. but not as a substitute for the public schools, but as a supplement for the public schools. >> [applause] mrs. clinton: and what i have -- what i have worked on through my work with the children's defense fund and my work and education in arkansas and through my time as first lady and senator is to continue to say charter schools can have a purpose, but there are good charter schools and there are bad charter schools. just like there are good public schools and there are bad public schools. mr. martin: so let's get rid of all the bad. mrs. clinton: but the original idea behind the charter schools roland, was to learn what worked , and then apply them in the public schools. here is a couple of problems. most charter schools -- i do want to say everyone -- most charter schools don't take the hardest to teach kids. or if they do, they don't keep them.
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and so the public schools are often in a no-win situation because they do, thankfully, take everybody. and then they don't get the resources or the help and support that they need to be able to take care of every child's education. so, i want parents to be able to exercise choice within the public school system. not outside of it. but within it because i am still , a firm believer that the public school system is one of the real pillars of our democracy. and it is a path for opportunity. but i am also fully aware that there are a lot of substandard public schools. but part of the reason for that is that policymakers and local politicians will not fund schools in poor areas that take care of poor children to the level that they need to do. and you could get me going on this because the corridor of shame right here in south
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carolina, you get on their and you can see schools -- there and you can see schools that are literally falling apart. i have been in some of those schools. i have seen the terrible physical conditions. that is an outrage. it is a rebuke to who we are as americans to send any child to a , school that you wouldn't send your own child to. and so, we have a lot of work to do to make sure that public schools serve people, but that doesn't mean we also provide options within the system so that parents can find what they think might work best for their kid. mr. martin: we have a question here. do we have a question? graduating from university, our first thought as a senior as that we have two avenues, grad school or the workforce. the workforce is mostly to pay back loans and staff that we have as students. you are threatening to lessen the gap between minimum wage and the top payers.
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my question is, we also put a cap on the top or will the waterfalls keep going upwards yet -- you sen. clinton: i want to be able to refinance everyone student debt and save thousands of dollars. the amount you have to pay back will be manageable for you. because, what is happening now is young people graduate with all of this that, and you obviously have to go into the workforce, because you have to pay it back. i want to put an end date to the debt. there has to be an end date. i also want to give more young people to go into income contingency repayment programs like i had and my husband had. we had loans that we had to pay them back as a percentage of income, not as a fixed interest rate. we will get the cost of student debt down, but the other problem is we need to get the pay of people who are in the workforce up. it is not going up.
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that was one of the first point i made. we have recovered a lot of jobs, millions and millions of jobs. we are down to 5% unemployment. but, hey has not yet been rising. so, we have to do more to get pay to go up and there are obvious things to do like raise the minimum wage. then, that usually has an upward impact on wages going up the scale. i want more companies to engage in profit sharing, because their employees helped to create the profits and i want to see it go not just to the top. we're going to close loopholes and we're going to make sure that people were making huge salaries pay their fair share in taxes. we're going to go after the problem of wages, not rising, so that you can get your debt down in your income. mr. martin: question right here. >> in 1989, we pass legislation by congress to ballot the savings and loans. the president bells out the
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banks. in 1989, we said that the banks had to create community reinvestment, which is an expansion of that legislation. as i listen to martin talk about what things have done in terms of collecting those profits -- since the payout -- tell out we have seen very little done to do reinvestment. what will you do to get these banks back moving to invest back in our communities? sen. clinton: great question. i believe in the community reinvestment program. again, it is something that democrats have had to defend against republican attacks for decades now. there are good examples of it working, but increasingly in later years, it has not. there are two approaches, one, the treasury department and the bank regulators need to ensure
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that banks are meeting their obligations under community reinvestment. there are a lot of good programs that we can point to. and they do not know what to do, we can show them what to do and what will work to create economic opportunities. secondly, you mentioned a bank that i worked with in arkansas to start the arkansas development corporation. because, i think that in addition to getting conventional banks to do what they can, we need some more of these development banks like south shore, and what we did in arkansas has had a real after-the-fact. the final thing i will say about this -- there's a big fight going on in washington about the dodd frank bill and the rules that it placed on the banking community, primarily aimed at the biggest banks, that were contributors to some of the problems that we have, let the mortgage and other problems that we were talking about earlier. a lot of community banks say
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that those rules fell on us, too. we are just a small community or regional bank. i want to -- without giving any relief to the big banks, because i do think that they need to be regulated so they do not get us in trouble again -- i want to provide some opportunities for community banks to be able to once more, be partners and community reinvestment. those are my approaches. south shore when out of business during the recession. >> i'm a junior here at the university, with more states legalizing marijuana for recreational and legal use, what is your plan of attack on the federal level? sen. clinton: i believe that states are taking this step. there is that great phrase attributed to i think roosevelt, that states are the laboratories of democracy. i want to see how it works before we do it a national planet from the federal
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government, because i think there is a lot for us to learn. when i do want is for us to medicalresearch into marijuana, because a lot more states have passed medical marijuana than have legalized marijuana. we have two different experiences, or even experiments going on right now. the problem with medical marijuana is that there are a lot of anecdotal evidence about how well it works for certain conditions, but we have not done any research. why? it is considered a schedule one drug, so we cannot do research in it. i want to move it from schedule one to schedule two, so that researchers at universities and national institute of health can start researching what is the best way to use it? how much a dose does somebody need? how does interact with other medications? we are going to have a lot of states setting up marijuana dispensaries so that people who have some kind of
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medical need are getting marijuana -- we need to know what the quality of it is, how much should you take, what you avoid if you are taking other medications? that is how i'm currently thinking about it. >> speaking of science and research, if you are president, we push for a dramatic increase in federal funding for a cure for sickle cell anemia? sen. clinton: amen. yes i will. sickle cell anemia -- how may people here know people with it? oh, yes. it is a devastating disease. i have several -- i know several people. in fact, the other day, well actually it was last week, i was at the naacp banquet in charleston, and a young woman in ,igh school, gave a tribute then she came over and she talked to me. she was diagnosed with sickle cell anemia when she was a very young child. she has been in and out of hospitals, and she now goes to
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the medical center in charleston to get transfusions. every month. i have another friend, a young lawyer, who has sickle cell anemia, and she is really, really martin works really, really hard, and the chance to go to the hospital. this is a devastating disease. so yes, i think we need to put more money and more time and more effort into figuring out how we're going to finally sure and and -- cure and and sickle cell anemia. >> good afternoon, mr. martin and secretary clinton. when i had the pleasure of meeting you a few minutes ago, you mentioned you were a girl scout. what did you learn while scouting that you would use to be a successful president? sen. clinton: such a great question. let's give this young man a round of applause. [applause] sen. clinton: i did. i told him that i was a scout. i was a girl scout through high school. i learned a lot.
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in addition to the little merit badge things that you earn, which he has some of his merit badges on his uniform -- i learned about teamwork. i learned about cooperating with other people. i learned how important it is that when you say you're going to do something that you do everything that you can do keep your word. and do it. i learned about how scouting has for so many decades now helped young women and young men learn things that they might not have otherwise learned. my family was not a camping family. we drove every year from chicago to pennsylvania to see my grandparents, and we slept in the car. we were not into the forests and the woods and all of that. so i learned specific things as well as general values and character traits. that i think are really important. bigting has made a difference and.
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mr. martin: since he has a uniform on, if you're are a veteran or in the military, we stand up. [applause] mr. martin: stay standing. a few weeks ago, you are doing an interview and you talked about the v.a. scandal not being as widespread as it was reported. president when the appoints a secretary of veterans affairs, it is one of the last appointments. i believe that if we care for our troops that we will make agt just as important as an or defense secretary are secretary of state. what is your commitment to ensuring that the department of veterans affairs is the best hetero agency, and will you make that be a fundamental priority if you are president of the united states? sen. clinton: the answer is yes. what i said a few weeks ago is
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that there are certainly systemic problems with vba, and they need to be fixed, and nobody should tolerate them. anybody hasrage if been either mistreated or left untreated by the v.a.. but i also believe that the v.a. has done good things. the republicans are always trying to privatize everything. privatize education. privatize social security. privatize medicare. and yes, privatize the v.a. i will fix it and i will appoint somebody with proven management provenryans who will -- management experience, and to will weed out who should not have been there in the first place. take what is good about the ba and make sure that it is available to all of our veterans. that is our goal. [applause] mr. martin: i have always said that broke is broke whether you are broke white or broke black. have anteresting when we discussion in america about poverty, it is always a black face.
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if you are president, how will you lead or drive a conversation to get white america, who is broke, to understand that your education and your health and your lack of economic access is the same as african-americans and others, and how do you see it happening? same committees have the fundamental problems as inner-city communities, but they somehow think that they are totally different. sen. clinton: that is a fair point. mr. martin: i don't think anyone else last that question. sen. clinton: it is a fair point. because, poverty is debilitating, no matter where it happens or who it affects. there is such a lack of understanding in our country about the number of poor white folks, and we just had a steady whiteut that said, poor
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middle-aged americans, without a high school education, are dying at a higher rate than they have ever done before. addiction, alcoholism, suicide. poverty is poverty. there is a great idea that congressman clyburn has the 10, 20, 30.ed 10% of federal funds would go to communities where 20% of the people are living in poverty and have done so for more than 30 years. thirds of those counties are republican counties. sen. clinton: and predominately white. as this was described to me, this would be a recipe for dealing with poverty everywhere, based on the numbers. if you are living in an impoverished generational help.ion, then you need
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the government should not be turning its back on you. i'm in favor of empowerment. one of the programs that my husband put into place, the new market tax credit, was used to help build up poor, rural communities, to provide economic opportunities. it has been allowed to lapse by their public and congress. there are tools at our disposal. is, the point that you make an especially important one, we need to be talking about this, so that the caricatures and stereotypes that are too often flooding the media, are for once and all retired. for a sport. mr. martin: what would you do about those communities? what kennedy did, going to the delta, gave a different view. it brings into those areas and say, america, these are broke white people who are poor and this is what poverty looks like, not some black single mother in
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chicago or detroit. mr. martin: they went -- sen. clinton: they went to appellation as well. let me just point out that a lot of republican governors are not expanding medicaid, including right here in south carolina. that is leaving hundreds of thousands of poor people, black just to the mercy of the emergency room. there is no system for them to be able to get the health care that they need, and if you compare -- i was in louisiana not so long ago, and the prior democratic governor in arkansas expanded medicaid, got a special waiver from the federal government to do it in a way that he could get it through his legislature, but the fact is that hundreds of thousands of poor people got it. across the border in louisiana, their governor running for president would not do it. hundreds of thousands of people wereeft out. i do not know how you justify that, especially, since the
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federal government is paying 100% of the cost until, in a few years, they will pay 90% of the cost. because what people to be well. you talk about this recent study that i mention, where you have middle-aged white folks killing themselves, getting addicted to drugs and alcohol, not getting help for mental illness or substance abuse -- that is a health problem. people are often times, and rural areas especially, not as reachable through health systems. i think we have to look at this from the perspective of what we do to make our country healthier, and the people most in need of that are poor people. wherever they live and whoever they are. i feel passionately about this, as i said -- i first job out of law school was with the children's defense fund, started by the woman from south
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carolina. for the- my first job children's defense fund was coming to south carolina to do an investigation about juveniles and adult jails. some familiar? then weprogress, but kind of fall back. you cannot grow weary, doing the work that is necessary to help people have dignity and develop their own potential. that is what health is about. if you do not have that, you don't have anything. mr. martin: last question for me. black women, stand up. secretary clinton if you become president of the united states, and if you had to appoint some into the supreme court, which you a point a black woman to the supreme court? [applause] sen. clinton: do we have some candidates here? i will certainly consider people who have the energy and the intellect and the experience to be on the supreme court.
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and probably on the younger side, because i want them to be there for a long time. [applause] mr. martin: we have a whole list. it would be good to see a sister on the supreme court. i am just saying. all right, we have one question over here. could you stand up? go ahead. shout it out. [indiscernible] sen. clinton: yes i do. [indiscernible] [applause] mr. martin: just take a picture. [applause]
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>> something so simple and then bill clinton came to south carolina and i was in the who i was,d i said and he said, i want my bible. [applause] mr. martin: are you trying to meet chelsea next? >> my question was we were talking about youth empowerment. and i told you about time that i was working. we were talking about youth empowerment and i now see as a part of your platform, youth empowerment. i also heard you said today, grassroots, small children. what is your plan when elected president, that you have for identifying like other countries, the cream of the crop and channeling those children
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from children to be prepared when these job opportunities open up? sen. clinton: that is a really good question. if you have not seen one of those bibles, i recommend that you do. it is such an extraordinary part of south carolina history. i thank you. as you can tell, my husband was jealous. which is ok. starti think you have to with the families and the parents of little children. throughnt to do more communities, three churches, through other institutions to help every parent understand that he and she are the child's first teachers. worko do what we know can to get those children better prepared for school. i think talent is universal, but opportunity is not. there are a lot of really smart kid who don't get the chances
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that they deserve. that is why we need universal prekindergarten, because we need to start with kids who really deserve that extra help. so when they get to school, they are better prepared to learn. i do think what you are saying makes sense and it goes back to the point we were talking about earlier about schools. when i was first lady of arkansas, we did a very comprehensive overhaul of our school system. changing the curriculum, putting more demanding requirements in, but we also recognize that it was difficult in a rural state like arkansas, and a rural state like south carolina, to provide all of the opportunities for everybody, everywhere. so i helped to start the arkansas school format and science. it is a boarding school, a public boarding school, so that young kids interested in science
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and technology, engineering and mathematics, can apply to go there if they are in a small district that does not have the courses that they are looking for. i would like to see us do more of that across the country. there are some states that have done this, some of them do it for performing arts. i started with science and technology. but, there are other kinds of studies -- the cousin you have as many small towns and rural areas, it is not possible to provide everything in person, which is why we also need to do more through technology and online learning, but you a few -- but if you are in a poor school and you do not have the computers or the tablets and don't even have the school wired and don't get high-speed internet, it is pretty hard. your kids are going to fall behind. my highest priority is, let's raise everybody up, and let's provide some special opportunities for kids who want to go further in the areas of
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their expertise or what they want to learn. mr. martin: final comment. or was that it? sen. clinton: let me thank you for doing this. one andme think news everybody who is a part of this, and especially to the university for hosting us. [applause] sen. clinton: i gave the 2007,cement here act in and i'm so honored to be back. some of the state elected officials were here -- i want to be a good partner. i want to end by saying this. a president can do a lot and should. and i will work as hard as i know how to find common ground, even with people that i don't agree with politically, because if we can find common ground on something important, we should go forward together.
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but, it also want to be a partner to those making change in state legislatures in communities across a state like this. because, a president can also do things that are not in the formal job description. i can convene groups and want to know what is the best way to improve job training for advanced manufacturing. we will get people who are doing and know how to do it together and will come up with a plan to try to sell everybody about doing that. so, convening, catalyzing change, neck and people up like the arkansas bank corporation, which i hope to start. let's find out why it succeeded and why south shore did not, and how we could do more of what worked in communities like those here in south carolina. and i want to be a coordinator and connector so that we get people to really understand what we are capable of doing, no matter where we are. do not wait for somebody in
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washington. make the political demands, what you need from washington. try to hold your elected officials accountable. if we could get voter registration up and south carolina, your elected officials would look different than they look right now. in many parts of the state, and so, we have to work in a partnership, from the grassroots up, and from the top down, and we have to give more people the tools to make the best decisions for their own lives. that is when i grow doing, that is what i learned to do, and that is what i will do as your president. [applause] mr. martin: all right. that is it for us. do you know how to wobble? sen. clinton: i don't. mr. martin: you just lost the black vote right there. you'll pick up some votes.
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sen. clinton: i have to see it in order to do it. mr. martin: you need some music. sen. clinton: who can show me? come on, don't be shy. mr. martin: i told you we do it a little bit different. sen. clinton: don't leave me hanging here. mr. martin: should i put my ipod on? i have music. [laughter] mr. martin: you know i will put it on. secretary clinton, and is a pleasure. a round of applause, democratic presidential candidate, secretary hillary clinton. [applause] mr. martin: i told you that we need the music. i need everybody to stay in place, please.
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she will come out to shake hands. all of you stay in place. thank you very much. ♪ mr. martin: you do have music. ♪ i let you push me past the breaking point, i stood for nothing, so i fell for everything. you helped me down but i got up, you hear my voice user that sound, like thunder, i'm going to shake this ground. get ready, i see it all, i see it all. i have the eye of the tiger. the fire, dancing to the fire and you are going to hear me
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roar. ♪ let's give the black caucus a round of applause, please. [applause] ♪ >> all caps came, c-span takes you on the road to the white unfettered access to the candidates at town hall meeting, news conferences. they're taking your comment on twitter, facebook, and iphone. and always, every campaign event that we cover is available on our website at >> funeral services for former north carolina conger's men howard coble will be this week.
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he served in congress for 30 years before retiring in 2014. c-span talked with him at the end of his last term about his life and career. this is about 30 minutes. >> congressman howard coble, retiring after this session. you'll be the longest serving republican congressman in north carolina history. what do you think your legacy will be after 30 years here on capitol hill? >> well, not unfavorable, i hope, peter. i hope it will be one that has been laced with credibility. we have interns coming throughout our staff year-round and many have political desires to run for office one day and they ask me what should we emphasize? i say, you emphasize credibility, accessibility. people back home expect to see
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their elected official and i think justifiably so. i go home just about every weekend. i did every weekend this year. i recall, having served with a fellow who could have been in the congress his entire life. he was that good. he was a good public servant. and he was defeated in the republican primary and i asked him, what happened to our buddy? he quit going home, was the answer. quit going home, they never saw him. so they showed him the gate that leads to the road out of town. >> legislatively, what are you most proud of? >> well, when i was elected in 1984, we were known as the furniture, hosiery and tobacco -- textile and tobacco capital of the world. not true anymore. but they're still hanging on,
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all of those different occupations or professions. my mama was a textile worker so textile legislation was close to home with me. so i'd say accessibility and looking out for the -- back home, that the country did not suffer as a result. >> how has your district changed since 1985? >> oh, tremendously. when we were elected, we had a very compact three-county district -- guilford, alamance and davidson. >> northern north carolina? >> northern north carolina, north-central north carolina. now, i've only stood one election under the new re-districting plan but now we have eight new counties, continue to embrace part of alamance and guilford, picked up portions of granville, orange and durham and coupled with the
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five complete counties, all new. it was quite an adjustment. most recently, we had -- that was altered somewhat. we kept portions of guilford, alamance, davidson. picked up a portion of rowan, which would be salsbury, randolph, solid republican county, home of the one of the best zoos in the world, pinehurst, golf capital of america, lost all of that can -- lost all of that with redistricting. i tell you a story about pinehurst. dr. charlie norwood, now deceased, dentist from augusta, georgia. i went to his funeral in augusta. there was an old man about my age with a big sign with these words, "thanks, charlie." i wish it had been in the next
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morning's paper. but norwood always would go out of his way to put down pinehurst as opposed to augusta. never missed a chance to do that. so one day when i left the floor, one of my colleagues said, what's the makeup of your district? norwood heard the question and i said my district consists of the furniture capital of the world, high point. we still say that. one of the best zoos in the world, i said to my colleague. and then knowing that norwood was listening, i said it in a condescending tone, i said the golf capital of america in pinehurst. he came out of his seat. he said i'll give you furniture and zoo but you ain't taking golf. i told that story to the rotary club at pinehurst, or southern pines, one of them. i think it was pinehurst. that story was told to them.
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someone in the committee knew norwood, called norwood and told him when i had done so he was waiting for me the next week but i fondly remember that exchange. of course, i was right. it was furniture, zoo and -- furniture, zoo and golf. >> so were you able and has it been the same here in congress to develop relationships with other members? >> pretty much so. yeah, you hear a lot talk about how partisan everything is. and it is partisan but we live in a republic where there are only two major parties. partisanship will be inevitable so that in and of itself doesn't bother me. i have many good friends on the democrat side. my mom and daddy were democrats. i was reared in a democrat home. but i would say easier than much
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of the media would portray it to be. >> congressman howard coble, over the years, congress' approval ratings have gone up and down and currently they're pretty low. why do you think that is? >> very low. i'm not sure that i can put my finger -- get my fist around it because i don't so that much changing from the time i came here three decades ago to now within the chamber but it's very low. of course, elected officials are easy targets. some folks are not going to be happy unless they're blaming some elected official for his or her problem. that could probably be a lot of it. but i think the president -- i've tried to be as nonpartisan as i can go this. it's difficult to do. i think the president particularly when it comes to foreign affairs, has been very
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inept, very disinterested, and i think it shows. that may well contribute to the most recent low marks. you're right, we're at the bottom of the barrel. >> you've worked with speakers since jim wright. who do you think has been most effective? >> newt while he was here. i remember one time just after we -- the contract with america. and newt had us working until 11:00, 12:00 at night. and i had pretty good rapport with gingrich and one of my buddies about 10:00 one night said howard why don't you go to the speaker and see if he can make this 100 days 100 legislative days, give us an extra four, five, saturday, sunday, maybe even friday. i went to newt, i said, speaker,
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the troops are restless, they wonder if we can extend the 100-day time frame to 100 legislative days. he thought pensively for a few seconds. he said get back to work. i said, aye-aye, sir. we got back to work. but, i think newt. >> you've also worked with presidents since ronald reagan. who do you think had the best relationship with congress? >> i think reagan along with both bushes. i'm very high on the bushes. >> why? >> easy to be with. i just called george w. bush within the past month to wish him well. he called me back a week later. i'm glad -- i should have told
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some folks i had called him because normally, one time, the senior bush, sonny montgomery. you remember sonny montgomery. >> democrat of mississippi. >> long-time democrat of mississippi, good friend of the bushes. he said to me one day, you called the president after the defeat. you need to call him. and i did, sonny gave me the number. i called him that day. voice message. left my name and number. didn't tell the staff what i had done. the next day, george bush calls our office. i don't recall back who answered the phone. kimberly, i believe. i think it was our front receptionist out front. she said, sure, you're george bush, and hung the phone up. the administrative assistant called and mrs. bush picked up the phone and he hung up the phone. you always need to tell your staff what you've done to avoid
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unpleasant surprises. but i'd say -- i'd go with newt as the speaker. >> congressman coble, during the clinton administration you served on the impeachment committee. looking back at that period of time, how do you think that will be viewed in future generation? >> you know, the late henry hyde, i won't each qualify to say probably, the most eloquent orator in the congress. henry told me one time, i think i remember this correctly, he said i'm not wild about this impeachment but there are 23 , americans serving active prison sentences for having committed perjury. how do you justify that and turn a blind eye to the president? he said, i can't do it. and i'll always remember henry saying that.
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and your question was how would it play with the passage of time? the order of it, which this came, and i believe he may be only one of two presidents who was impeached. am i right about that, peter? >> that's correct, he and andrew johnson. >> north carolinian, by the way. >> via tennessee. >> via tennessee, yeah. >> congressman coble, what brought you to congress in the first place? what made you decide to run for congress? >> it started probably some years earlier when an old time lawyer, duke law school -- i'm not a duke fan, but duke law school, called me aside one day and he said i want you to run for the state legislature.
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this was 1968. he said when you go to vote, you turn to the republican side of the ballot and there's no names on there. how do you expect to build a party with no one willing to run for office and he convinced me i needed to run for state legislature and i did and was fortunate enough to be elected. that was in 1968. a good year for republicans. and then i served three terms in raleigh. strike that. i was appointed assistant u.s. attorney after my first term in our state capital of raleigh. that's what started looking ahead, maybe, the seat was known as the revolving door district. congressman richardson preyer, do you remember the name? pryor was elected in 1968.
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former federal judge, very good man. ran against bill osteen who later became u.s. attorney. and then ultimately was appointed to the bench. i forgot where i was going with this. >> why you got congress, how you got congress? >> back to mr. mcnary, the old lawyer. he encouraged me to run for congress, as well. the revolving door started with the election of richardson pryor in his race with bill osteen. in 1972, upset of the year, gene johnson defeated richardson pryor in a solid democrat district. it would probably have been classified as the number one upset in the country. one-term congressman, gene was.
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he was defeated -- i'm sorry, the 1970's, the first one. then 1972, he was defeated by a rookie, good guy, robin brett. and i ran against robin in 1974 -- 1984. so that's -- that was the track. >> how long -- you've been on the judiciary committee quite a while, too, all 30 years? >> all 30 years. >> why never the chairmanship of that committee? >> well, i told somebody, i told ed mcdonald, chief of staff this. i believe that lamar smith and bob goodlette both have served -- goodlette is serving now, i believe they were better lawyers than i. >> why is that? >> just having observed -- i've always been a trifling student,
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indolent, lazy. and i just felt like -- i think i could have handled it but i think they were i think they were better equipped and more talented than i at the bar. >> congressman coble, one of your chairmanships is the subcommittee on the internet, intellectual property, et cetera. you've been pretty active on that issue, protecting intellectual property, et cetera. when you first came here, the digital age was just kicked off. it's been 30 years. what have you done to promote, protect, in your view, telecommunications? >> well, the high mark of my congressional career would be serving on the intellectual property subcommittee. that's been a good fit for us and i've met so many interesting people as a result thereof. i've tried to emphasize the
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significance of intellectual property. patent trademarks, copyrights. what it means to the wellbeing of our economic society. and we've done a good job i think of disseminating that word. i would not be qualified to be an intellectual property lawyer. i'm not that good. because it's very complex, very intricate. you do it wrong, you pay a high price. but that would be the highlight of my career up here. >> you've also worked on prison reform and prison issues, as well. why did that pique your interest? >> when i was practicing law, my two areas would have been criminal law and the law of negligence. so it was coming into an area of the law with which i was not unfamiliar.
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>> and what -- where would you like to see the prison systems in america go? which direction? how would you like to see them reformed? >> i think prison overcrowding is one of the severe problems facing society today. i think probably we need to look more carefully at sentencing. there may be -- there are many people confined in prisons today serving active -- serving active penalties for one of this, that or the other. those people probably should not be in jail. there ought to be some sort of second tier to free up some of the space because there's a time bomb waiting to explode, that is prison overcrowding. >> do you think maybe drug laws need to be reformed?
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which a lot of conservative republicans have called for. >> probably. i think that might well be first step. and i don't say let every jail bird loose on society. i'm not suggesting that at all but i do think that certain sentencing measures could be adopted that would result in freeing up space behind bars. >> what's your advice to john boehner? >> well, i'm not sure he needs my advice. i think boehner, he's been criticized from within and without, but my reading on john boehner has been favorable. i think he's been a pretty good speaker. comes from a hard working family. his dad, i think, was on the bar. so john's duties were cleaning up the bathroom and cleaning up the decks at the end of a
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business day so he's been there, done that. >> looking around your office here on capitol hill, two things i wanted to note. number one, there are photos of you with cigars, with cigar smoke. long-time cigar smoker? >> there's a cigar picture right there. i like what i call ponies, small cigars. at one time i was smoking probably five or six cigars, strike that. three or four cigars a day. now that changed to three or four cigars a week. then finally said i the heck
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with it and part of the reason was the staff didn't like it. some of my colleagues didn't like it. chief of staff, i think, led the fight on that. and i figured, what the heck, if it's annoying to them, uncomfortable for them, i don't have to have a cigar in my mouth every day. and i have been free of cigar smoke probably in excess of five years. >> congressman coble, you've worked on a couple of issues that may not strike your colleagues as positive, such as limiting congressional retirement, term limits, cola increases, being careful about cola increases. have you gotten push-back from colleagues on capitol hill? congressman coble: when i came up here, i said i would try to get rid of the congressional pension. the pension of a lot of senior members who splayed things today. just to make a point, i vowed i would not take the congressional pension which i've not done and that's going to cost me a lot of
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money. that's one of the issues back home, today's issues, jobs, jobs and the economy, unemployment, all put into one hat. i'm drawing a blank. >> we were talking about money issues, you're not taking the pension. yes, sir. congressman coble: i have a bill in the hopper now that would change the eligibility date. now the congressional pension vests at five years. my bill would increase that to 12 years. not one co-sponsor. now, term limits subject to interpretation. some favor it, some abhor it. i think a good argument could be made that we have term limits
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now, if you want to vote, you have a right to do that. if you don't, that's you exercising term limits. >> but aren't there a lot of built-in advantages for incumbents? rep. coble: oh, i think that's why the folks back home don't like it because it's obvious that -- it's ultimately highly favored on the one hand, crumbs on the table from the other. to this day folks complain to me about congressional pension, how i may be the only one who has refused the pension and the thrift plan. we have two pension routes, called the thrift plan and the pension. not my most brilliant financial decision, i might add.
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peter: you're a life-long bachelor. rep. coble: yeah. peter: why is that?
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rep. coble: i told a girl i was dating one time, she asked me that, i said i've never had time. normally that would be a bachelor cop-out but knowing me that's probably the truth. i've dated girls i liked more than they liked me and conversely, dated girls that liked me more than i liked them but it never did play out. >> why retire today? why are you retiring? >> i've got a bad back. i got skin cancer. neither of which is imminently failing my health but with eight new counties and a total of 10 counties in all, with a bum back, a lot of these folks don't know me as opposed to the old district. i just felt like it might be a good time to walk away. >> where are you going? what are you going to do? >> someone asked me that the other day and i said i hasn't thought about it. he said, hadn't thought about it? he said you've had 30 years of no spare time, you're going to be in a position where you have nothing but spare time, you better be thinking about it. i won't fail retirement. i'll try to stay active. but colleagues that i've met up here, democrats and republicans alike, they are very endearing to me. and i apologize, peter, to you and your staff. i'm coming down with my annual late summer, early autumn cold as you can tell with the raspy voice. peter: what are you going to miss most about capitol hill? rep. coble: tomorrow i'm scheduled to go meet with the
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judicial conference at the supreme court. meeting with them periodically. infrequently but periodically. i'll miss meeting with them. i will not miss my weekly trek to the airport. i recall, peter, some months ago, actually it's been years ago now, i was being driven to the airport by one of our staffers, from rural randolph county. 95-degree day and you can see the sun is my enemy. 95-degree day. bumper-to-bumper traffic. i said to her, i wouldn't live in this town. she said you do live in this town but you don't think of this town as being home. but that aside, it is still recognized as the cradle of democracy, the cradle of freedom, the cradle of liberty, and i'm proud, when i look out that window and see the capitol, if i'm griping and complaining, it pretty well falls in line this is the best place to be. peter: you heading back to the district after january? rep. coble: oh, yeah. i feel sure i will be. peter: where will you keep your papers and your office records?
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rep. coble: university of north carolina at greensboro. peter: why there? rep. coble: my alma mater, guilford college, did not have an adequate library that could handle it and u.n.c.g. has an appropriate library and they expressed interest in it so that's where they'll be. peter: who are you going to miss here? rep. coble: well, i'm going to miss -- i have been richly blessed with a good staff, peter. so i'll miss my staffers. i'll miss my colleagues. both sides of the aisle. but i really am indebted to a good staff. i tried to treat them right. they, in turn, treat me right. peter: you've had long-term staff, haven't you?
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rep. coble: attrition has not been a problem with us. people come and they stay. which, of course, affords reliability, affords uppermost confidence, without walking back and forth, in and out the door one day, one day here, one day gone. peter: any regrets? rep. coble: maybe should have taken the congressional pension. i say that halfway in just. >> congressman howard coble, after 30 years, retiring from congress. thanks for your time. >> thank you, peter. >> next, a look at legalizing marijuana in in colorado. inn, hillary clinton in south carolina. that, another look at the interview with former representative howard coble. who recently passed away. then richard talks about
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response to the syrian refugee crisis. >> i have learned you can do everything you want to. i have do what a first lady is supposed to do. whatever you want to and it is such a great soap box. a great opportunity. i would advise any first lady to do what she wants to do. you are going to be criticized no matter what you do. could've had receptions, i could've had teas, i would've been criticized as much as i was criticized outside for a ride i did. and, i got a lot of criticism. but you learn to live with it.
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you accepted and you live with it. >> she was her husband's political from their first campaign. she attended jimmy carter's meetings, championed women's rights. there is no ship on health and escaping issues spanned four decades. rosalynn carter, this sunday night at 8:00 p.m. eastern on c-span's original series, first ladies: influence and image. their influence on the presidency from martha washington to michelle obama. american history tv on c-span3. >> now, a debate on the impact teengalized marijuana on use, crime, and accidents. it also looked at the
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legalization in colorado and other states around the country. from the steamboat institute freedom conference in steamboat springs, colorado. >> several states are looking at taxing marijuana as a source of revenue. that's typical of the government. trying to squeeze blood from a stoner? [laughter] >> you like that? yeah. [applause] >> i'd like to introduce the moderator. mary katharine hamm, many of you know from her work. [applause] >> she spars weekly with bill o'reilly. i think she does a good job. mary catherine is a fox news contributor. she appears regularly. she is very active on twitter. those of you who follow twitter,
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she is very active. she's a fourth-generation newspaper journalist, and i didn't know this, she did a stint covering nascar, high school football, and the county's largest lagoons before embracing new media and heading to washington, d.c. her career goal has been to discover the formula for talking about politics without being a blowhard. i think she has succeeded. she created the heritage foundation's first ever blog in 2004. she has won several awards for her work in the fledgling online video world for her series "hamm nation." she is from north carolina, and she graduated from the university of georgia.
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she was raised on a perfect combination of tobacco road basketball and sec football. she climbed mount kilimanjaro on her honeymoon, and hopes to add more to the list. she lives in virginia with her husband and daughter and another little one on the way. we are very glad she could join us. mary katharine hamm and the marijuana debate panel. [applause] >> ♪ everybody is high ♪ rocky mount high ♪ rocky mountain high ♪ rocky mountain high [laughter] mary: i will let my panelists to their introductions. they know themselves better than
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i do. i am mary catherine. i'll start with my position on the subject and make sure you know my biases. i am friendly to colorado's decision to experiment with new laws and ways of doing things in the way we do with drugs. i have had many fights with bill o'reilly on the subject. i am not an expert, but because of my fight with bill o'reilly, i am the "weed girl." in addition to arguing with him with a baby at home, i now argue about this on stage while pregnant. [laughter] mary: i'm a bad influence all around. i will let these guys exhibit their expertise. we will see where things go.
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i'm excited to talk about it in a place going through this and actually sort of embracing federalism's concept of being a laboratory of democracy. that comes with ups and downs. with that, i shall handed over to wayne robinson of the colorado springs gazette. [applause] wayne: thank you. i'm no expert either. mason is an expert. i live in colorado. i'm on the editorial page of the colorado springs gazette. my wife, in the audience over here, and i have six boys, and the seventh i took in because his parents were drug addicts. we are here to address the grand pot experiment. the world is watching us. i can assure you that the gazette is watching this experiment skeptically. i was initially skeptical of that skepticism. i have been in colorado for a long time, since 1993. we spent the first 15 years in boulder, of all places. we just heard the song "rocky mountain high." i love that song.
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"friends around the campfire, everybody's high." it always horrified me that one of the friends around the campfire could end up in a colorado prison or jail because everybody was high. i think a lot of people share that feeling. i don't think the most
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reasonable individuals, whether they voted for or against amendment 16, want the casual marijuana user behind bars. on that basis, amendment 64, which legalized pot, had a lot of support right up front. you throw in that it might fund education and and a horrible black market, and that's a pretty enticing prospect. so, dr. ben carson was up here just a little while earlier today. he was talking about his vision, his dream for a country in which everyone can climb the economic ladder, particularly young people, so they can get away from dependency and enjoy the american dream. in this conservative audience, regardless of where you are on the spectrum, that's a good thing. at's a good thing.
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we all dislike dependency. we are conservative people. on another occasion this year, just a couple of months ago, i spoke to dr. carson in denver about marijuana, because he is a world-renowned brain surgeon and scientist, i wanted to know his opinion. he reminded me that reliable science has found that in young people, particularly marijuana use, not even talking about daily marijuana use, it can lower the iq by eight points. that concerned him greatly. today, andr a lot probably in the future as this debate plays out, about marijuana versus alcohol. i think mason for bringing it up. he has written a book about it.
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he has shed a lot of light on the evils of alcohol in this country. we do pay a very high price for alcohol. i think it's a bit of a false dilemma to say that because alcohol may be worse in some circumstances, i don't know, i'm not a scientist, if we accept that assumption, we should oncern ourselves with marijuana, which is pushing it on to our youth. let's note saying concern ourselves with diabetes because at least it's not cancer. it may cost you your eyesight and arms and legs, but it will kill you. -- won't kill you. not long ago, i had a conversation with dr. charles krauthammer. he is a harvard trained psychiatrist. i wanted to know his opinion, not just as a pundit at -- as a pundit, but a psychiatrist.
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said if we go back many years and do this and dan down the road with marijuana incident alcohol, i think we'd be better off. i don't know if i agree with that. i'm not a scientist. my opinion on that is not relevant. he said we cannot get alcohol out of society. he cannot do that. it is in society. bothuestion is, do we want ? in colorado, we have both. we need to ask, what does this do to the culture and what will it do 20 use from now, 30 years from now, and in the rest of the country. let's look at the costs of having both in colorado. we have a higher marijuana use in colorado, substantially, than the national average. regularou think marijuana use is the ticket for kids to get into harvard and
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yale, or to cure diseases, or to invent things and start businesses, it is probably not a way to help us move away from dependence. than usualigher national average among teens. it is up since legalization. crime and homelessness are up. ask any police chief or sheriff and they will tell you that. gateway? i don't know. i remain skeptical of that. this tripling,en we have seen a tripling of heroin overdose deaths in the last four years. correlation means calls, we need to do something about it. hospitalization for marijuana is up 128% since legalization. workplace accidents and absenteeism are up. the gazette did a special project.
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we interviewed a lot of executives, primarily executives of the major construction businesses throughout colorado. hire ine even want to colorado right now, there is too much of a liability. hireling -- hiring from oklahoma, utah. it is hurting the state. edibles have been a crisis. an absolute disaster. the state defines one serving as 10 milligrams. you can walk out of a store with a bar of hash that contains up to 2000, 800 servings. that's what the state says is a serving. this has led to all sorts of edibles, the children consume. innocent looking gummy bears, gummy worms. you name it. they eat it, the end up in the hospital. the national children's hospital has seen a 610% increase in marijuana poisoning among beingen under six since
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legalized. dr. ben carson says that in a country of -- a 350 million individual needs to be exceptional, because 350 million people is not many compared to india and china, which each have more than a billion. they want to be more like the united states. i'm guessing that in china and india, where they are working hard to become more like what we have been for the past 200 plus years, they are not in a race to copy a social experiment that stands to lower an entire generation's iq by eight points. thank you. [applause] we now have mason tibbett. he's from th [laughter]
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mary: it's hard to say his name. [applause] mason: thank you for having me here to talk about the issue. i guess the sky is calling everywhere in colorado. outeems to be pretty nice except for marijuana being legal. i codirected the amendment 624 campaign in 2012. i have been working on marijuana policy since 2005. authored a book called "marijuana is safer, so why do we drive people to drink?" it's the more harmful to substances that of the two substances. marijuana prohibition is a failed government program. statesbeen pushed on the and has cost us billions of
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dollars, and it has failed to accomplish much of anything. marijuana is still incredibly available, anyone who wants it can get it in any state throughout the country. usage rates have not been going down. they have, in a lot of states, gone up,. ask ourselves not should marijuana be legal or illegal, but what are the potential costs and benefits of prohibition, and what are the potential costs and benefits of replacing that with a different system. colorado, voters have decided to create a system where marijuana will be regulated and taxed in a manner similar to alcohol. that different than product, but the idea is that it is a product that adults 21 years of age and older can possess and consume and it is being sold by licensed businesses that are charging taxes, that are testing their labeling,ing proper
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using proper packaging, not selling to minors, and so on. ultimately, 50 5% of colorado voters in 2012 decided that this would be a more preferable system to prohibition. we have seen that support grow. in february, when the pack poll -- a quinnipiac poll found that support was 58%. another poll found it was at 62%. that it appears that most coloradans seem to be satisfied with where things are right now. that's not to say that will be the case forever. i cannot say that. ultimately, things are going more or less how we intended them to go. when we ran this campaign, we never said we will anti-prisons and prevent people from going to jail. doesn't typically
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lands of the in jail. it does cost people jobs. it does cost people housing. mean something for can't get jobs. it does mean people can go to court. they have to pay fines. can you imagine if every time you were found to be drinking a glass of wine or having a beer, you are subjecting yourself to being fined $150 and a day in court? that seems crazy. marijuana is less harmful than our call based on every objective standard. it's less addictive. this is according to the federal government. they've made it abundantly clear that it is less toxic, less damaging to the body. it is less likely to contribute to violent and aggressive behavior. this is not to say it is harmless. nothing is harmless. it does have potential harm for some people. that potential for harm is to by the potential for alcohol to harm. alcoholhere to say that is bad or wrong or that people should not use it.
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i think as a country, we have figured out what happens when you try to prohibit alcohol. it does not go well. it causes more problems than it solves, which is why our country decided to experiment with alcohol prohibition. it is known as a failed experiment. the great experiment. which we ended. instead regulate alcohol and do what we can to control and educate people about it. we wanted to take care of the with it without creating harm through an underground market, propping up organized crime, making sure the product is controlled. people going blind by drinking random, distilled liquors that they don't even know what they are. until 2004, colorado was doing this with marijuana. it's not as if it wasn't in colorado until we passed this law. it was incredibly available. the rate of use has not changed
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since the law passed. high before as it is now up it it has not gone up. marijuana was here. people were using it. they could access it. the government refer to it as being "universally available." people who wanted it could get it, but the question is where? illegally, from people on the street. from friends. from whoever they might find it from. that poses problems. again, publics are not passed-- products are not tested. the people they are getting it from might have other illegal products. you talk about this gateway fear he, the research shows that marijuana is only a gateway drug in that it is so popular that when people go to access it in the underground, they get exposed to other illegal substances. these are things they would not be exposed to. go to liquor store and buy a bottle of wine. you don't stumble across or get
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offered cocaine. if you buy marijuana illegally from someone who has access to the underground market, that happens. since colorado has decided to change the structure, we now have marijuana being sold in licensed stores that are being controlled, regulated, more so than casinos and liquor stores. that's another debate entirely. it's a group that has its skeptics. i think when it comes to something like marijuana, like with alcohol, we need to have a healthy balance where we ensure the product is controlled, but only the people that are supposed to get it get it. week should not have relation that could force the sale back into the underground market because it is too burdensome on a legitimate business. in colorado, things are going well. we have hundreds of millions of dollars taking place in these licensed businesses instead of the underground market.
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we have strict requirements on packaging, labeling, restrictions on appetizing. you don't see commercials. you don't see that kind of stuff all over the place. you see that the adults who do want to go to a store can and those who don't, don't. that's how it should be, frankly. in terms of its impact on society, we heard this would cause a lot of problems. we were told this would result in teen use skyrocketing. but be clear. those who voted in favor of the initiative care just as much about the well-being of young people as those who voted against it. you don't have to be anti-marijuana to be pro-use. the difference is that the people who voted for this thought there was a better way to protect young people. that's to regulate and control this product, to make sure people are asking friday. what we are saying is that teen use rates have not changed.
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according to the state of colorado, they have put out a report that says teen usage has remained stable since 2005. in the survey data, you see a downward trend. in 2009, 20 4.8% of colorado high school students said they'd used marijuana. that's down to 20%. it has not skyrocketed. we have not seen that huge increase in use. there are concerns regarding people, young people who accidentally ingest it. that's an issue we absolutely need to try to prevent. we are sayinghat that that is happening with marijuana being illegal. it's not as if it only started happening now. of people are more likely to report it, because they're less fearful of being punished and the criminalized and facing
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consequences, but ultimately, we need to keep this in context. i don't want to minimize this problem. it's something we want to prevent. why we want childproof packaging, for these products to be labeled so people know what they are and don't ingest them. mr. larson referred to this 600% increase in child exposure to marijuana. many cases of people being accidentally exposed to showed up to the poison center in 2014? 145. 25 for people under the age of eight. let me pull the numbers are here to make sure i get it right. 2690 five years of age and younger called poison control for consuming cosmetics.
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there was 740 for vitamins. there were 1500 for cleaning products. this is not to say that we should not worry about it. this is not to claim that there's a massive epidemic. this is not a recent go back to prohibition. -- this is not a reason to go back to prohibition, not so soon. when it comes to crime, talk to police officers. they can say crime has gone up. i prefer to look at the statistics. look at the arrests and crimes that have been committed and what the state has put up. stay crime has gone down, in a lot of ways. we have no increase in crime associated with marijuana. these businesses, according to the denver police department, are not attracting crime. gazette recently had an article about how it's medical marijuana businesses are not attracting crime.
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all they are really doing is generating tax revenue. as a result of this law, we no longer have 7000 adults in colorado being punished, sibley for using marijuana. -- simply for using marijuana. if you don't use it, that doesn't matter. a lot of adults enjoy it for the same reason adults is alcohol. it is relaxing, social, they come home from work, they want a drink, they want to use some. i think every drug should be treated based on its arms. we are talking about a substance that is potentially less harmful than alcohol. say, "well, let's just treat o'kane this way, let's treat her when this way." -- cocaine this way, heroine this way."
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were not saying that. i know that there was, i heard some chuckles when we talked about the introduction, the tax revenue that would be generated. we made it very clear that the goal here was not to raise revenue. that's a bonus. to and prohibition and the problems associated with it and start treating marijuana more reasonably. but, it is a bonus. we generated a lot of tax revenue. the numbers keep growing. we are on pace to raise more -- a 100% increase over last year in the state of colorado. is that the best way to raise it? no. but, if the product is legal, this is a way we can treat it. they want toaid
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tax it, and that's what we are doing. we are generating millions of dollars in revenue for the state, which is going towards education programs, regarding marijuana, regarding other things. it's going towards legislation and whatever others want. when it comes down to is this, marijuana is out there. we didn't vote to have marijuana in colorado. we voted to start controlling marijuana in colorado. right now come we're doing more to control marijuana than any other state in the country. washington, which also passed a similar law, and send -- and soon, oregon. we expect to see anywhere between five to 15 states through the next two or three years passed and little laws. colorado is a leader when it
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comes to this, just like if you be somethingld it to be embarrassed about if your state was the first and alcohol prohibition. i think that would be viewed as a badge of honor. our population was smart enough to recognize how stupid this failed government program was early enough and put an end to it. that's what colorado has done. it seems to be going well. we hope to see how it continues to go over the next several years, at which point we can make better judgment regarding its full on impact. thank you very much. [applause] i can get full on bill o'reilly on both of you. appearednorth airline we consume random -- from north carolina. alcohol is ourm passtime.
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[laughter] you are both disappointingly reasonable in your points of view. that requires me to like, go all povich appear. -- up here. you have moved past the original debate, whether this is a good or bad idea. you're asking about where we are. a lot of the discussion is going to be about competing data. it has not been that long since the law passed. how do you guys assess the data and figure out if this is credible, is this significant, what does this mean for how we legislate? in this debate, you can find statistics and data to back any point of view, as you can with most things. you, there certainly
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must be a lot of parents and grandparents in the audience here. i think that if you ask any parent of teenagers in the state if things are the same as they were before legalization began, i'm guessing 90 percent of them will tell you it is not. anecdotally, i can tell you is nowhere near the same. i've raced a lot of children. -- raised a lot of children. gazette, i have spoken to a lot of parents and community organizations. it is not the same. or not we should have legalize recreational marijuana is one discussion point. the other is are we accurately ?egulating it i believe the answer is no.
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it is much more available to children, young children and teenagers, than it ever was before. the risk-benefit equation that anyone runs in their head before they do something that they should be doing, like smoking cigarettes or sneaking off with a sixpack of beer or whatever it may be, the risk factor is obviously lower than it was before. the state is doing very little in terms of spending money to educate young people away from this drug and keep it away from them. the druga lot of education money that was promised from the revenues generated by marijuana sales have gone into advertising the safe use of marijuana. to promote the sale. mary: this is a data point where you had a disagreement. whether these has gone up. a lot of it is, well, kids will
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have more access. but, they already had a lot of access. we do have to evaluate whether it goes up or down. you are focusing on some again it does -- some anecdotes. what's your argument? i'm referencing the colorado healthy kids survey, an annual survey of 15 or 20,000 or more colorado students from around the state. it is done by the department of education, the department of human services. it is done in conjunction with, the other statistics that they look at are those from those from the center of disease control. that's been on an annual basis every other year. i'm referring to our state and federal government surveys, and let me be clear, i'm not suggesting that use appears to
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be going down because of this law. i'm not. i don't know. i'm just saying it clearly has not skyrocketed. the same with crime. i'm not saying the crime has barely gone down because of this law. maybe so, maybe not. all i'm saying is that crime has not skyrocketed, as was predicted. see a few need to more years of data when it comes to the situation with driving. the colorado state patrol came out and said that anyone that says they know the effects this has on driving is giving you a bunch of crap. they said they cannot provide a reasonable and educated assessment of the actual impact of this law for at least a few years. i am fully ready to wait and see that. when it comes to the impact that has on young people, since 2000 10, colorado high school graduation rates have increased every year.
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since 2009, dropout rates have decreased. [laughter] that he isn't think being disingenuous. i hear from parents who think things are way better now. that's why we have elections now. what the voters wanted was to start regulating marijuana. wayne: they did. there was a survey, a scientific poll the came out of san diego that found waning support from them and 64. -- amendment 64. sponsored by who? juanas an anti-mari organization. they oversampled conservatives
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and republicans voters, no offense to anyone here. [laughter] they took a sample that only had 9% between the ages of yet something like 60% was between the ages of 65 and 75. the quinnipiac polls have been none regularly over the last two years, and they are not being paid for by a group that is trying to keep marijuana illegal. wayne: if you look at the questions and the paul, that's questions in the do if people are satisfied with the law. sampled, iow the
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don't think libertarian crowds tend to be more anti-marijuana than democratic crowds. i don't sense that to be the case. [laughter] as, you know, the national survey on drug use and health in 2014 found that high ,chool aged youth in colorado we have at 56% higher than the rest of the country. another statistic, 66% marijuana addiction treatment in colorado. that's 2011 to 2014. before we have recreational legalization in colorado, we had medicinal marijuana.
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believe, the obama administration justice department came out with a memo that really changed everything in colorado. nobody wanted to invest in medicinal marijuana in colorado. you did not have all these retail outlets. you had very few. springs, they had won. and maybe a couple other little ones scattered around. as soon as that memo came out, they proliferated like crazy. every town had more marijuana retail shops than starbucks or 7-eleven spewed ash 7-eleven's. more marijuana retail shops than starbucks or 7-eleven's. there's a higher rate of use according to the nsduh.
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but the usage rate has been going down in colorado and up nationwide. since 2009, when medical marijuana blew up and we saw the stores all over, it was up 24.8%. now it's down to 20%. nationwide, we saw an increase. that rate of marijuana use among high school students was occurring, even when it was illegal. 1975, the survey found that more than 80% of high school seniors say it is easy to get marijuana. that's since 1975. if the goal is to make it hard for young people to get marijuana by making it illegal and almost 80% of them say it's easy, their ego. -- there you go. mary: let's talk about unintended consequences. ones, so let'sod
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not been anyone into a corner. what's an unintended consequence the concerns you? -- and that concerns you? mason: i think the situation with edible marijuana which wayne brought up is a good example. i don't think it's the question of, now is this an economic of people becoming zombies and dying. i think this is about how this has been rolled out and how this is working. what's interesting about edible marijuana and why the state did not see it coming is that edible marijuana affect the body differently. when you eat marijuana, it takes up to an hour to take affect. it has a different effect on your body. a lot of people are not familiar with how much they are supposed to use. all these differences. a lot of people are familiar with them. -- are not familiar with them. during the medical marijuana
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years, the only people that were really able to buy these products from stores were people who had experience and knew what they were doing. all of a sudden, when you decide to start allowing adults who had no experience with them like likey endowed -- maureen dowd, her experience educates a lot of people. now, they can judge that. than to show up in denver and order meriting a thend order a martini and three whener she didn't feel it. [laughter] mason: the state has done a lot now to change that, the start to do things like changing products toequiring
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be marked, changing the way the servings are handled so that it is broken into the individual servings. so that it is not one candy bar with 10 servings, it's actually 10 separate things that someone knows not to eat more than one of. this is something the state has learned and is doing. "has been a nightmare that the state has tried to deal with. packaging regulations and such. -- the edible thing has been a nightmare that the state has tried to deal with, packing regulations and such. do you deal with granola taken out of the package and laced with pot? still the problem with people who put cookies and candy and brownies into bowls and leave it out and think, well, they don't have any children, or maybe they do. maybe they're just bad parents.
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i think that's a crisis that needs to be solved. i don't think anybody anticipated that one. secondarily, i would say the law attending to eliminate the black market, i'm a libertarian, and thinking in terms of libertarian economics all the time, it does seem that if you legalize something that is not legal, the black market manages to vantage -- the black market than us is the moment you do it. that hasn't been the case. our tells have bought up and rented as warehouses all over the state. the rental market is through the roof. no one can rent a house. that's because a lot of growing operations renting rental houses and using them as grow operations.
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talk to any of the attorney generals from the states suing us, and they will assure you that the cartels are alive and well in colorado and exporting pot into their states. that's an unintended consequence i did not anticipate. i did not anticipate a commercialization to this extent. guy back to when i was the who had friends around the campfire. everybody's getting high. i didn't want to see any of them go to jail. this was a pretty good idea if you looked at it. while there may have been some things gained through this, a lot of promises were pretty empty at this point. the black market. tell me about your take. i don't spend a lot of time in it. [laughter] mason: i don't know what data is being referred to or for anybody knows the extent of the black market.
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ofknow that $700 million marijuana sales to placed in license businesses -- took place in license businesses. where were those taking place before? underground. at least $700 million is no longer being exchanged for marijuana in the underground market. thinks that a legal market will get rid of an underground market in 18 months, i don't think so. if that's how you are judging our flaw, yes, we failed, because we did not eliminate and 80 -- an 80-year-old underground market in 18 months. maureen dowd is the classic example of someone who bought and consumed marijuana because it is legal. we don't know the numbers
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exactly, but we know a lot of them are taking place,. it costspeople saying too much in the stores, and that will result in the underground market maintaining. well, now it costs the same. stores, there are the where do adults want to go? and adult wants to ask is it silly to an adult that wants to use alcohol. do you want to find someone that hasn't and hope that they have what you want and that it is what they say this and that they are actually going to give it to you and you will be safe, or you just want to stop at the store? seeing is that they started very low and have been getting higher and higher because people are becoming more accustomed to this system. that's the reason why more and more people are buying marijuana from the stores than the underground market. it is preferable in every way. if you're a producer in
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mexico or some other state, and you want the heat off of you, you want to lower the overhead by reducing the amount of security you need to operate underground, guess where you are going to come? colorado. we know it is happening because we now how much is being exported out of the state. another underground feature that i did not expect is that we have this parallel system in colorado. we have the medical marijuana stores. we have the recreational marijuana stores. if you live in colorado and your regular marijuana user, its pre-stupid not to go to a marijuana doctor. this is a doctor who does this for a living. marijuana prescriptions or whatever they call them. $50 or $100 or whatever the going rate is and for a year, you can go buy medicinal pot. it is no different. it's the same marijuana.
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we can have a different debate over whether it has medicinal qualities. i'm not a doctor. taxese going to save doing it that way, so that's another underground market. we have interviewed multiple teenagers who have become adults, and we have interviewed them as teenagers, and as adults who used to be teenagers, who a red card to purchase this at a great discount and then sold it in parking lots and hallways in schools. whenno different to then schools for bid candy and soda. you always find some kid who will go to sam's club or cosco and buy in bulk and then come around and start a business in the parking lot in the hallways. that's what's going on. system this ridiculous of two competing types of retail.
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the candy market is big in my school. that's gone down over the past few years. there has been less homicide, less violence. this has not grossly increased, as people have suggested it has. i believe in wyoming, a 50% decrease in the amount of marijuana they have seized in 2014 compared to 2013. the medical versus nonmedical thing, let's say that alcohol was being treated this way. the process of finding a doctor to give you a recommendation which he would have to pay the doctor for and then submit an application to the state and pay a license fee in order to get this license so that when you went to buy up bottle of wine coming -- wine, his ended up being
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three dollars less? most wooden. -- wouldn't. localitiesng about banning adult sales, like colorado springs. the gazette was opposed to allowing adult sales. despite a majority of voters supporting amendment 64, they 4-3 toor-three to ban -- ban adult sales. buy marijuana in colorado springs is to a medical marijuana store. can you blame someone for doing this legally inserted illegally? -- instead of the illegally? when people voted for that, they did not go for legalizing marijuana all of her colorado. they voted for a law that said
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the municipalities could decide. and's what colorado springs the only community and the pike's peak region that has regraded -- legalize mick regional -- recreational springs. is pueblo you buy $100 worth of marijuana, which is not a lot, from a medical store, you're not talking about a couple of dollars. do the math. 33%. -- 23%. mason: that's a made-up number. you are paying these taxes either way. we're talking about the state's 10% special sales tax. there's a big difference. are talking about a 15%
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excise tax in colorado on wholesale transfers between the cultivation facilities and the store. when a cultivation facility produces a bunch of marijuana and transfers it to sell it, it taxes 15%. an ounce of marijuana is to $100.from $60 $350--tore, it is mary: we have to establish how pervasive that market is to begin with. we know that we have 503 medical stores in colorado. the average age is 22 for the patients. it's 40, i hate to break it to you.


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